JP1 Remotes

Posted: **Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:27 pm**

Hello,
I purchased this USB receiver, and I am trying to play around with IrScrutinizer a bit, but I cannot get the program to recognize the receiver.

I've

In Device Manager, it up as HID Keyboard Device, compliant consumer control device, and compliant system controller. Unplugging the receiver removes all three of these items from devmgmt.msc.

There are no COM ports associated with this device, and I cannot figure out what I'm doing wrong. I've tried various options under "capturing hw," but nothing seems to be cooperating with the device.

Is this device a "widget"?

I've tried searching for drivers that are not generic Windows versions, but I cannot find any. Apparently with Windows MCE, it used to auto-install it as "eHome IR Transceiver" under the device manager, but that clearly doesn't apply to my computer (W10 64-bit).

Any ideas?

Posted: **Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:27 pm**

You got the wrong device for capturing IR. The IReTV is essentially a keyboard that responds to IR. It doesn't send the IR signal that it receives over USB to the PC. It receives IR commands, then sends keyboard commands.

Posted: **Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:05 pm**

So how does it give IR functionality to my 2017 (non-IR) nvidia shield using the same IR signals as my 2015 Shield w/ IR? Is it pre-programmed with a database in some form of ROM?

I also got a Flirc, which requires me to program it prior to having any functionality.

Are they essentially operate the same way... just one is pre-programmed and the other isn't?

That explains why it pops up as an HID in device manager.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:15 am**

The supported IR capturing devices for IrScrutinizer are: IrWidget, IrToy, Global Cache, Command Fusion, Arduino, and, on Linux, /dev/lirc-supported devices.

The device in question is "USB IR Receiver for use with Nvidia Shield (2nd Gen & 2019 Pro), F-TV, Kodi, PCs, Raspberry Pi & Other Streamers with The Inteset INT422 & Harmony Remotes". As Dave (mdavej) pointed out, it is a virtual keyboard, not intended for capturing IR signals as such. Basically, the same thing goes for Flirc.

Are they essentially operate the same way... just one is pre-programmed and the other isn't?

I do not know the first one, and Flirc only superficially, but I think that is basically it.

But, at least in the case of Flirc, not all is lost. In the Flirc PC program, there is a debug console, opened using the menu entry File -> Device log. Be sure to check "Exable IR debugging" in the window that pops up. Then shoot an IR signal at the Flirc device. The window now looks something like this:

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Wed Mar 31 2021 11:54:25
Flirc GUI Version v3.25.3-15-gc366d26+
Operating System: Windows
:e:32864
0,9010,4401,618,467,614,467,614,467,618,467,614,467,614,467,614,467,614,1621,584,1620,
584,1620,584,1616,589,1616,588,1616,588,1617,588,1615,588,1616,584,1621,593,1611,584,1616,
589,1616,588,1617,588,467,614,467,614,467,614,467,618,467,614,467,614,467,614,467,
614,1620,584,1617,588,1616,588
:e:39
0,9007,2159,618
:e:96
0,9013,2159,614

There, mark the first data line (starting with "0,") starting after the "0," and copy to the clipboard. (It is one very long line, broken here for layout reasons (Hi Rob

)) Then paste it into IrScrutinizer, and scrutinize it.

Feel free to ask us before hardware purchases.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:59 am**

Sandlotje wrote:So how does it give IR functionality to my 2017 (non-IR) nvidia shield using the same IR signals as my 2015 Shield w/ IR? Is it pre-programmed with a database in some form of ROM?

It sends keyboard commands to your Shield, not the raw IR. Yes, there is some sort of database in the device that reads the IR, decodes it and sends the appropriate keyboard commands. This is how it works with all devices you plug it into.

Refer to Barf's list to find an appropriate IR capture device.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:02 am**

Barf wrote:in the case of Flirc, not all is lost. In the Flirc PC program, there is a debug console, opened using the menu entry File -> Device log. Be sure to check "Exable IR debugging" in the window that pops up. Then shoot an IR signal at the Flirc device. The window now looks something like this:
Code: Select all
Wed Mar 31 2021 11:54:25
Flirc GUI Version v3.25.3-15-gc366d26+
Operating System: Windows
:e:32864
0,9010,4401,618,467,614,467,614,467,618,467,614,467,614,467,614,467,614,1621,584,1620,
584,1620,584,1616,589,1616,588,1616,588,1617,588,1615,588,1616,584,1621,593,1611,584,1616,
589,1616,588,1617,588,467,614,467,614,467,614,467,618,467,614,467,614,467,614,467,
614,1620,584,1617,588,1616,588
:e:39
0,9007,2159,618
:e:96
0,9013,2159,614
There, mark the first data line (starting with "0,") starting after the "0," and copy to the clipboard. (It is one very long line, broken here for layout reasons (Hi Rob )) Then paste it into IrScrutinizer, and scrutinize it.

Nice find Barf! I had no idea FLIRC and Scrutinizer could do this.

Posted: **Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:44 am**

mdavej wrote:Nice find Barf!

Thank you, but I think it is only fair to pass on that credit to AnalysIR. (AnalysIR is basically a commercial competitor to IrScrutinizer.)

Posted: **Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:05 pm**

Barf wrote:The supported IR capturing devices for IrScrutinizer are: IrWidget, IrToy, Global Cache, Command Fusion, Arduino, and, on Linux, /dev/lirc-supported devices.

The device in question is "USB IR Receiver for use with Nvidia Shield (2nd Gen & 2019 Pro), F-TV, Kodi, PCs, Raspberry Pi & Other Streamers with The Inteset INT422 & Harmony Remotes". As Dave (mdavej) pointed out, it is a virtual keyboard, not intended for capturing IR signals as such. Basically, the same thing goes for Flirc.

Are they essentially operate the same way... just one is pre-programmed and the other isn't?
I do not know the first one, and Flirc only superficially, but I think that is basically it.

But, at least in the case of Flirc, not all is lost. In the Flirc PC program, there is a debug console, opened using the menu entry File -> Device log. Be sure to check "Exable IR debugging" in the window that pops up. Then shoot an IR signal at the Flirc device. The window now looks something like this:
Code: Select all
Wed Mar 31 2021 11:54:25
Flirc GUI Version v3.25.3-15-gc366d26+
Operating System: Windows
:e:32864
0,9010,4401,618,467,614,467,614,467,618,467,614,467,614,467,614,467,614,1621,584,1620,
584,1620,584,1616,589,1616,588,1616,588,1617,588,1615,588,1616,584,1621,593,1611,584,1616,
589,1616,588,1617,588,467,614,467,614,467,614,467,618,467,614,467,614,467,614,467,
614,1620,584,1617,588,1616,588
:e:39
0,9007,2159,618
:e:96
0,9013,2159,614
There, mark the first data line (starting with "0,") starting after the "0," and copy to the clipboard. (It is one very long line, broken here for layout reasons (Hi Rob )) Then paste it into IrScrutinizer, and scrutinize it.

Feel free to ask us before hardware purchases.

Oh awesome! I began to venture down that path, but never explored it fully.

However, I would love to know what device(s) you recommend that is:

A. Essentially plug and play with the various IR programs with little or no setup/configuring necessary to capture and analyze the signals.

B. Inexpensive ($20 is just about my budget).

C. Preferably available on Amazon Prime. (I'm impatient lol).

Thank you so much for all of your insight.

Posted: **Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:08 am**

@Sandlotje,
unfortunately, there is nothing completely satisfying your all your requiements.

I assume that you are using Windows.

A. Essentially plug and play with the various IR programs with little or no setup/configuring necessary to capture and analyze the signals.

Basically, all devices are serial devices in disguise, requiring you to identify them in the device manager, and then selecting the appropriate device in the program.

B. Inexpensive ($20 is just about my budget).

Of the list (IrWidget, IrToy, Global Cache, Command Fusion, Arduino (/dev/lirc is for Linux only)) this leaves IrToy and Arduino. IrToy is effectively not available any more, so that leaves only the Arduino.

C. Preferably available on Amazon Prime. (I'm impatient lol).

Sorry...

So I recommend my little project (also without budget restrictions). It is very cheap (fits your budget), and very capable. Drawback is that you have to build it yourself, and order the components. That is not too hard, but still requires some experience. Whaddyathink?

Posted: **Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:31 am**

Barf wrote:@Sandlotje,
unfortunately, there is nothing completely satisfying your all your requiements.

So I recommend my little project (also without budget restrictions). It is very cheap (fits your budget), and very capable. Drawback is that you have to build it yourself, and order the components. That is not too hard, but still requires some experience. Whaddyathink?

I'm incredibly intrigued. I'm on the fence though because this is turning out to be a good bit of money (buying wrong items), so I'm on the fence because this also requires me to not screw up building it, and I've never soldered anything before... BUT(!), I'm very interested and it does look incredibly simple.

I added everything to the cart, but the green LED is on backorder (estimated re-stock date of mid-May). I found one that looks almost identical. Would you mind checking if it would work?

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Ki ... iWcA%3D%3D

The only difference is in the last part of the model number. Yours ends in SGD5V, whereas the one I suggested does not contain the S, so it's just GD5V. I'm wondering what that "S" indicates.

Posted: **Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:43 am**

Does the URC-7880 remote have learning? If so, do you really need an IR capture device, as the learning remote should be enough for 90% or more of situations. If you're willing to spend a few extra dollars, Tommy Tyler's IR Widget was specifically designed for JP1 situations and works with all of the tools, but it costs $35 plus $7 shipping.

https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9405

Posted: **Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:33 pm**

@Sandlotje: The LED you linked to should be just fine; the "S" stands for "Super Bright" which is really a property we do not need. Be sure to "take" an electronic-soldering course on Internet first

@Rob: Fact is that the Arduino thing it the better device; it runs circles around the IrWidget. Just the range for example: While the IrWidget has a range of a few centimeters (an inch), the Arduino thing around 1 meter (3 feet).

IMHO, let us refer to it as Kevin Timmerman's IrWidget, not Tommy Tyler's IrWidget. (Kevin designed the whole thing, which can be built according to his instructions. The component price is a few dollars.)

Posted: **Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:05 pm**

Barf wrote:IMHO, let us refer to it as Kevin Timmerman's IrWidget, not Tommy Tyler's IrWidget. (Kevin designed the whole thing, which can be built according to his instructions. The component price is a few dollars.)

If Kevin was making them and selling them, that would make sense, but if I were to do that, every single person would come back and say "I can't find Kevin's IrWidget, I can only find Tommy's, will that do?"

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