New File to Look at with ToadTog and extender

[dolivas27]

Ok guys looking for a little input on this IR file I just started playing around again with the JP1.3 remotes I have setup and used the JP1 before using the extenders. I am using the extender on the RS 15-134 this extender seems to work different than the older one I used on the URC-6012 remotes. So here are the questions I have.

1. I am trying to get the TV button to work just like I have the SAT button setup but once I remove the O_TV (I need to remove it because the F.Rew, DVR and F.Fwd buttons do not work) from the TV macro the TV button does nothing?

2. If someone could look over the ToadTog and see if I did them right or if there is a better way? They seem to work for both devices I have them controlling.

3. I have a XSHIFT-TV Macro setup that powers on the TV and switches the input to AV then powers up the Uverse box. The one thing I would like to change here is if I hit the SAT button again it sends the Input command which switches the TV back to channel 3. What would be the best way to stop that from happing should I setup another ToadTog for the input?

Here is a link to the file https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=8008

Any other comment you would like to give me after looking at the file would be great.

Thanks,
Dean

[mdavej]

1. I think you're just missing X_TV
2. Phantom3 should call Phantom1 and 2 instead of shift-power directly otherwise your discretes could get out of sync if you first command is a power toggle and your tv is already on
3. Yes, I'd make an input toadtog, but see next comment below.

I have a different philosophy than you which is a little simpler to use IMO.

TV SKP = select TV device and map key sets, LKP = "Watch TV" (map keys, power on, set inputs, etc)

SAT SKP = select SAT device and map key sets, LKP = "Watch SAT" (map keys, power on TV and SAT, set inputs, etc)

Power SKP = Active device power toggle, LKP = Power all devices off (This requires power macro for every device mode).

In that case LKP SAT for one input and LKP TV for the other.

[dolivas27]

mdavej

Thanks for the reply

1. I assume you mean on the TV device button right? Like this

Code: Select all

#	Target Key      Macro Keys	
2	TV	           X_TV;P_TV;V_TV;M_SAT;T_SAT;C_SAT;SHIFT-TV

2. I tried this and it did not work? I thought this is what I had the toggle setup for when the discretes got out of sink I could long press to get them back in sync at least that is how it worked on the old remote.

3. OK I am sure open to making it simpler could you provide and example of one say the TV SKP I am not really sure how you want me to set it up this way.

[dolivas27]

mdavej or anyone that wants to look at it.

Link to File: https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=8018

Ok here is a new file with everything completely rebuilt everything seems to be working right when I test it with the IR Widget I still need to do a live test. I will do that some time this weekend. I have a couple of things I would like you guys and gals to look at if you have time.

1. Look at the way I did the DSM and ToadTog for the Samsung Blu-Ray DVD and let me know if there is a better or more efficient way to do it.

2. The one thing I am not sure I like is if you press the Device key again it will resend the input selection. Now I know I could put these on a Toad Tog but is there a better way? How does the Test Only ToadTog work lets say I selected DVD = Blu-Ray and TV on HDMI 2 right now if I was to select the DVD button again it would send the TV HDMI 2 command again could I use the Test Only ToadTog so stop it from sending the command again?

3. What is the easiest way to reuse this configuration on different remotes with extenders? Like I have all the these remotes that I am testing on 15-134 (Current build on this remote), 15-133, 15-135, 15-100 just trying to figure out how everyone moves from one remote to the other.

4. How would you turn off a Device when going from one activity to another. i.e Start in DVD mode then switch to SAT mode when I switch to SAT mode by pressing the SAT key I want to turn off the DVD. Once again just trying to see how others do this I have some ideas but not sure what is best.

Thanks,
dolivas

[Capn Trips]

mdavej or anyone that wants to look at it.

Link to File: https://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/dload ... le_id=8018

Ok here is a new file with everything completely rebuilt everything seems to be working right when I test it with the IR Widget I still need to do a live test. I will do that some time this weekend. I have a couple of things I would like you guys and gals to look at if you have time.

1. Look at the way I did the DSM and ToadTog for the Samsung Blu-Ray DVD and let me know if there is a better or more efficient way to do it.

2. The one thing I am not sure I like is if you press the Device key again it will resend the input selection. Now I know I could put these on a Toad Tog but is there a better way? How does the Test Only ToadTog work lets say I selected DVD = Blu-Ray and TV on HDMI 2 right now if I was to select the DVD button again it would send the TV HDMI 2 command again could I use the Test Only ToadTog so stop it from sending the command again?

3. What is the easiest way to reuse this configuration on different remotes with extenders? Like I have all the these remotes that I am testing on 15-134 (Current build on this remote), 15-133, 15-135, 15-100 just trying to figure out how everyone moves from one remote to the other.

4. How would you turn off a Device when going from one activity to another. i.e Start in DVD mode then switch to SAT mode when I switch to SAT mode by pressing the SAT key I want to turn off the DVD. Once again just trying to see how others do this I have some ideas but not sure what is best.

Thanks,
dolivas

First a comment. Why are you usign 7zip? First of all the IR file is so small that there is no benefit to zipping it. Second of all, not everyone has 7Zip installed, so it's an extra hassle for someone to unzip your file just to try to help you. If you have to use compression, use *.zip please and not *.7z, or *.rar or some other program.

1. Hard to analyze all of yoru branches and paths, but in my experience, "if it works, don't fix it";
2. What difference does it make? You are using discrete input selections, so if it re-sends a signal, then it simply selects the currrently active input - what's the probelm with that? Now if you had some bizarre sequence of "CH+, Input, Input" then of course you would not want to cycle through that every time if it's not necessary, but with discretes? I suggest leave well enough alone. I submit it's not worth the effort of setting up a bunch of DSMs which are then called from a ToadTog just for that.
3. No "easy" way, although I am unfamiliar with this family of remotes. I believe that the 13X's all have different extender sigs, so the only way you can do this is to open two instances of IR side-by-side, with one displaying your completed configuration, and just use that as a guide to brute-force all of the same entries into a second remote extended configuration. Unfortunately there are no short cuts here.
4. The way to do it is to include a Discrete Off command for each unused device in the "Power ON, Setup inputs" macro for each device. Again, I personally just leave any device like that on and they all get turned off by my Master Power Off macro at the end. If my DVD Player or VCR stays on even when I'm not using it, it's not putting out any interference, either electrical or acoustic, and it's not drawing THAT much power for a couple of hours until I turn the entire system off.

[ElizabethD]

... Second of all, not everyone has 7Zip installed, so it's an extra hassle for someone to unzip your file just to try to help you. If you have to use compression, use *.zip please and not *.7z, or *.rar or some other program.

7zip can put out .zip files. Just select the second "Add to" which writes .zip files we so expect here. I learned that from Greg.

[ElizabethD]

4. How would you turn off a Device when going from one activity to another. i.e Start in DVD mode then switch to SAT mode when I switch to SAT mode by pressing the SAT key I want to turn off the DVD. Once again just trying to see how others do this I have some ideas but not sure what is best.

I'd think that X_DVD;<somePowerOffcommand>;X_cancel followed by X_SAT and SAT commands that you need should do the job if you insist. Depending how you design, X_Cancel may not be needed.

[dolivas27]

Capn Trips

Thanks for the replay and sorry about the .7z file is was just an error on my part it was late and I hit the wrong button.

1. When you say it is hard to analyze because of all the branches and paths why are you saying that? Is there a better or more efficient way to do something that I am doing?

2. The difference it make is that in fact the Samsung DVD is using a bizarre sequence “play/.3sec pause/stop” so if you were watching a DVD and hit the device key again by accident I think it going to stop the DVD. (Not test on a live system yet.)

ElizabethD

Thanks for your input I really don’t insist on powering everything down I was just asking how the experts did it in case someone I program a remote for request it. I wanted to know the best way to achieve that goal.

Could someone explain to me what the Import tab does on the Special Protocols and Macros tab? I was thinking I could export if from one remote to the other. i.e. I have this profile built and working well on the 15-134 extended and now I want it on the 15-135 Extended. I know there will be some changes because of the extender differences but because of the way I am building it using the Phantom keys everything should really just carry over. Bottom line how do I use the Import or what is it used for.

Oh one more thing this IR Widget is Awesome when testing Macros and I highly recommend it to everyone.

Thanks again,
dolivas

[unclemiltie]

Well, there is a bit of a dirty little secret that you can take advantage of if you're limiting yourself to the RS 15-13x remotes.

In essence, they are all the same remote with different plastic and buttons. So the extender is the same code and works the same way.

But you have to take into account the keys that are different in your upgrades, macros and keymoves. Take a look at the EXCEL sheet that comes with the extender and you'll see what is different.

Then if you can live with the key differences, the only thing you would have to do is change (the hex values in the raw data tab) of the signature and then upload that to the remote. I *Think* that will work, but the safest way is to rebuild from scratch

[dolivas27]

Ok thanks for the info I could not find the keys.xls sheet in the current extender but I did find it in the older version.

I will probably play with changing the hex value in the raw data to see how and if it works. but will probably just rebuild from scratch I can do it pretty quick and plus I have a 15-100, Comcast DVR URC-1067B and a new Atlas 1056 on the way.

Bill any chance you are going to make a extender for the RCA RCRP05B?

Thanks again,
dolivas

[unclemiltie]

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Bill any chance you are going to make a extender for the RCA RCRP05B?

dolivas

It's on my list of things to do. I've been busy with work lately and just haven't found the time to look at a lot of JP1 stuff.

the remote is quite different in how it does some things so the extender may be a bit of a challenge and not a straight port like the 15-13x was of the Atlas extender. But it's not insurmountable.