Macros? extenders? urc8910

[johnsfine]

I had trouble understanding what you're trying to do, so I didn't answer earlier. But I probably should have.

I think you should use the extender. I'm not sure what basic concept of extender macros you don't see yet. But I think it will come together pretty quickly once you have the basic concept.

Ok, for example I want to click the home theater button and have the cable box turn on (or should I leave this on all the time motorolla 5100)

I'm pretty sure it doesn't have a discrete ON function, so leaving it on all the time is the usual answer.

which the tv is auto switched on by the cbl box,

So either you must change that (plug the TV in differently) or you must switch the CBL on/off even without discrete codes.

If you always use that one remote, not switches on the CBL box nor another remote, you might find that the ToadTog protocol in the extender is good enough to use in place of discrete On/Off (ToadTog lets the remote remember whether the device is on or off).

then I want the receiver to turn on to video 3 then switch to tv mode to go to the vid 1 input

Those things also depend on what sort of discrete input select codes or sequences you find for those devices.

then switch back to cbl mode but have the volume controlled by the AVR.

That's a simple feature of the extender, which should be pretty clear in the extender documentation. (With certain restrictions is also possible without the extender, using VPT. But I think you'll want the extender anyway.)

components have to have discretes then ,correct? I don't think my tv does older toshiba cf35f50.

I'm pretty sure it has neither power discretes nor input discretes. You can kludge the video 1 input discrete by sending a channel change followed by the next input function.

An important extender feature is the macro speed. Even without the sped up macro the remote may be too fast to give two sequential commands to the Toshiba in a macro. With the extender, it is certainly too fast. You'll want the macro arranged to interleave commands to other devices between the commands to the TV. Without the extender, the device select commands you'd need in such a macro will be slow enough that you'd need to keep the remote aimed an annoying amount of time after pressing the key.

[The Robman]

I may be, but from what I understand you can't have a device button be a macro without an extender

While this is normally true, the exceptions to the rule are the URC-8910/9910 and 15-2116/2117 remotes.

[vasqued2]

Ok, for example I want to click the home theater button and have the cable box turn on (or should I leave this on all the time motorolla 5100) which the tv is auto switched on by the cbl box, then I want the receiver to turn on to video 3 then switch to tv mode to go to the vid 1 input then switch back to cbl mode but have the volume controlled by the AVR. Then how do I turn this off? I would need another macro? for example the receiver is turned on by power but off by the stop button? What happens when I want to switch to another mode. All the components have to have discretes then ,correct? I don't think my tv does older toshiba cf35f50. I also believe every thing is installed correctly. extender for the 8910,upgrades for HK7200, dvd 563a, vcr, sony cd jukebox thingy, none I could find for the tv tosh.cf35f50 but seems to work fine with the 0156 code except for I guess discretes?

Here is what I would do, assuming you have discretes for the HK7200, dvd, vcr, and cd jukebox.

1. Leave your cable box on all of the time.
2. Plug your TV into the HK7200 so it will turn on or off w/ the receiver.
3. Put a macro on the MySys button that does the following:
.a. Turn on the HK7200 using the discrete on and select the cable input if it is run through the receiver.
.b. Turn the TV to the input or channel to watch cable.
.c. Set the buttons to control the cable box for everything but the volume buttons, which should use the receiver.
4. Put a macro on DVD button that does the following:
.a. Turn on the HK7200 using the discrete on and select the DVD input if it is run through the receiver.
.b. Turn on the DVD using the discrete on.
.c. Turn the TV to the input or channel to watch DVD.
.d. Set the buttons to control the DVD for everything but the volume buttons, which should use the receiver.
5. Put a macro on the VCR button that does the following:
.a. Turn on the HK7200 using the discrete on and select the VCR input if it is run through the receiver.
.b. Turn on the VCR using the discrete on.
.c. Turn the TV to the input or channel to watch VCR.
.d. Set the buttons to control the VCRfor everything but the volume
buttons, which should use the receiver.
6. Put a macro on the CD button that does the following:
.a. Turn on the HK7200 using the discrete on and select the CD Jukebox input if it is run through the receiver.
.b. Turn on the CD Jukebox using the discrete on.
.c. Set the buttons to control the CD Jukebox for everything but the volume buttons, which should use the receiver.
7. Put a macro on the AUDIO button that does the following:
.a. Turn on the HK7200 using the discrete on and select the radio input.
.b. Set the buttons to control receiver for everything.
8. Put a macro on the TV button that sets all the buttons to control the TV.
9. Put a macro on the Power button w/ discrete off for all of your devices.

If you do this, you can switch inputs and watch/control any device by pressing that device button. You can turn everything off by pressing the Power button. If your TV gets out of sync (which it will when you listen to the radio or the CD) you can press the TV button to be able to turn it off.

Let me know if this makes sense and lets you do what you were trying to do or if you are confused.

David.

[jon9]

Wow! Everyone's response has been great and so helpful. I kind of understand what I have to do now. I would still like to see what an actual working macro looks like. The kind that powers different devices on. I haven't seen that yet. the explainations on what has to be done I understand but after say, DEV_AUD; what would I put to do the commands, I understand how to get the remote to be in the proper state as far as what buttons will control what like for the vpt but not the "action" commands. Also I had to reset the remote so I could get the codes for some things that weren't in the upgrade for the hk7200 ex: video 4, 6/8 channel, logic7, dolby,dts buttons. Now that I have those codes where do I put them? In KM? I tried but after I unlock the sheet it still doesn't seem to go in right. Thanks again

[gfb107]

The "action" commands are simply the keys you would press if you were to do it yourself.

[gfb107]

Are you using a device upgrade for the HK7200, or a built-in setup code.

If it is a device upgrade, load it into KM/RM, add the functions on the Functions tab, then assign the functions to the buttons you like on the Buttons tab. Then go into IR and edit the upgrade you previously loaded, replacing it with the new upgrade (use copy-n-paste).

If it is a bulltin setup code, then create keymoves (on the keymove tab in IR) to assign those functions to the buttons you want.

You should never unlock any sheets in KM.

[jon9]

By "action" I mean, power on /off (discrete or otherwise) channel change to change vid input that type of stuff. I would like to see what it would look like.

[gfb107]

First you need to assign those individual commands to buttons on your remote, either using keymoves or a device upgrade.

The HK_AVR-7200.txt device upgrade assigns the Power On function to the Power button. and the Power Off function to the Stop button. It also assigns the Video 1 command to the 3 button. I'll assume your cable audio is on Video 1 for this example.

So a macro to turn on your receiver, set it to the Video 1 input, then send your TV a CH+, a CH-, and leave the remote in cable mode would be:

DEV_AUD;Power;3;DEV_TV;CH+;CH-;DEV_CBL

See it's just a matter of including the keys in the macro that you would press if you were doing it yourself.

[jon_armstrong]

So a macro to turn on your receiver, set it to the Video 1 input, then send your TV a CH+, a CH-, and leave the remote in cable mode would be:

DEV_AUD;Power;3;DEV_TV;CH+;CH-;DEV_CBL

See it's just a matter of including the keys in the macro that you would press if you were doing it yourself.

A minor improvement: I believe he said that TV video 1 was cable, if so (and his works like my old Toshiba):

DEV_AUD;Power;3;DEV_TV;CH+;TV/Video;DEV_CBL should bump the TV to video 1.

Also with extenders, macros execute VERY fast so you may need to add some delays.

[jon9]

O.K. From all your help, I think I got this macro thing down. Problem is they're probably way too fast for my toshiba cf35f50 every thing will work but the tv only turns on. So I have to figure something out for that. Also I made an improvement to the HK7200 upgrade that includes buttons for surround sound(logic 7,dolby,dts, surround,stereo and video 4) selections and placed the inputs in a more logical fashion like video 3 on button 3 instead of button 8. So I just have to figure out toadtog and delays?? Thanks

[gfb107]

If you've improved the HK7200 upgrade, please upload them.

[jon_armstrong]

Problem is they're probably way too fast for my toshiba cf35f50 every thing will work but the tv only turns on ... So I just have to figure out toadtog and delays??

Some Toshiba TV's have an incredibly long "blind" period from when first turned on until they will accept another IR command. I have heard reports of up to eight seconds -- which is enternity to hold a remote pointed at the TV. You might consider key moving the DEV_TV;Ch+;video toggle near the end of the macro.

[jon9]

While I know it's not eight seconds. I guess it's probably a few. I did try moving it to the end and it still didn't work and even though it stays in the last mode used, I use the plain tv input to watch with the tv speakers and video 1 goes through the receiver and is used for everything else so I need to switch between them. The whole thing is basically a WAF thing, I really don't mind switching around. Thanks.
oh, and I will upload the upgrade as soon as I'm sure I'm finished with making changes to it.