Code/upgrade for Sharp 13VT-L100 TV/VCR combo

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:59 am

I just tried both KM and RM and I can't make either of them produce a correct Sharp combo upgrade using the "Denon Combo Official" protocol (which should be able to duplicate VCR/0807). I don't know what the other Denon Combo protocol is nor why it exists nor how to use it.

I'm sure I can make a protocols.ini entry for a Sharp Combo very similar to the "Denon Combo Official" but able to make this upgrade. Probably I should do that.

But if you want the TV functions and VCR functions in two seperate device modes, it may be simpler to use non combo upgrades and patch with KeyMoves. You've indicated the need in TV mode for at least two commands (left and right arrow from VCR/0807) that would be in the setup code for VCR mode. Individual patches like that would be quite easy with KeyMoves, so you only need a combo upgrade if you want the whole device to operate as one device mode, or there turn out to be a lot of patches needed.

Bowho · Post by **Bowho** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:02 am

Wow.....this is suppose to be easy. First of all thanks for your time and help.

It looks like to different device codes would be the simpliest, although one combo code would be nice/interesting. Keeping in mind that using TV/0093 the arrow buttons are allocated to volume and channel and VCR/0048 arrows buttons are not used.

After using IR and downloading from remote, the menu command from TV/0093 had a warning of some sort about sending signal twice...i think, and to try learning the command one more time to make sure this was normal.

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:34 am

Rob asked for a concise list of which commands you've discovered work. For each command we only need to know one way the command can be generated. For each command, we ultimately need to know whether it is device 1 or 3 and what its EFC is. But if you only know which key it's on in one of the 4 setup codes discussed here, that's enough for Rob and I to find device number and EFC. Anything in TV/0093 or TV/0688 is device 1 and anything in VCR/0048 is device 3.

We also need to know which commands are needed as TV functions and which as VCR functions.

What I think you've told us so far about TV functions is:
Power, Vol, Mute, Menu, and channel (including digits?) match TV/0688
1:158 = Picture Adjustment
1:109 = Recall
1:204 = Display
3:086 = left (matches VCR/0807)
3:088 = right (matches VCR/0807)
3:246 = select

VCR functions:
Play,Pause,rew,FFWD,STOP,REC and Menu match VCR/0048
left and right same as for TV (do not match VCR/0048).

Mark Pierson · Post by **Mark Pierson** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:39 am

johnsfine wrote:I just tried both KM and RM and I can't make either of them produce a correct Sharp combo upgrade using the "Denon Combo Official" protocol (which should be able to duplicate VCR/0807).

I think I figured out what's wrong in KM.

Here's an upgrade based on VCR/0807. It should include everything that the built-in code has, with the addition of the VCR/0048 Menu function mapped to the Enter button.

Bowho, try this out and let me know how it works. Note that the setup code for this upgrade is VCR/1807, so set your device button accordingly.

Upgrade Code 0 = 17 0F (VCR/1807)
9C 00 FE FE FF 7C 13 7C 62 7C 12 7C 22 7C D2 7C
E2 7C 92 7C A2 7C 53 7C 63 7C D1 7C E1 7C A1 7C
61 7C 11 7C 91 3C 14 3C A4 3C 24 3C 64 3C 55 3C
E4 7C CA 7C A9 7C F4 3C 95 3C E5 3C C2 7C E0 74
1E 3C 90 7C A5 3C 47
End

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:49 am

Mark Pierson wrote: I think I figured out what's wrong in KM.

I wasn't convinced KM was "wrong" (in that way). Should the Denon Combo choice in KM be able to produce a Sharp combo upgrade? Or should there be another protocol choice for a Sharp Combo?

Assuming you make the "Denon Combo Official" support both, is there something you can put in the byte2 column to select a Sharp device number?

Also, I haven't checked the upgrade you posted, but I expect the desired upgrade is further from VCR/0807 than that. When I refered to reproducing VCR/0807 I meant just as a starting point.

Mark Pierson · Post by **Mark Pierson** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:05 pm

johnsfine wrote:I wasn't convinced KM was "wrong" (in that way).

Based on the info I had for VCR/0807, KM wasn't producing the correct 1st byte of the 2-byte code. That's what I fixed.

Should the Denon Combo choice in KM be able to produce a Sharp combo upgrade? Or should there be another protocol choice for a Sharp Combo?

Related to what I fixed, I think it Sharp code and broke Denon support. The 1st byte of the 2-byte command appears to take care of the Denon vs Sharp selection. If my suspicions are true, then a slighty modified version of each is needed. I don't think there's an easy way (at least in KM) to support both-in-one.

Also, I haven't checked the upgrade you posted, but I expect the desired upgrade is further from VCR/0807 than that. When I refered to reproducing VCR/0807 I meant just as a starting point.

Agreed. Bowho's comments on the Menu functions being different on either device is all I attempted to address. If that part works for him, I can post the upgrade for him to tweak further.

Bowho · Post by **Bowho** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:14 pm

Mark, I will try when i get home from work. I have played around with a few files posted for other devices with patching in IR program. Which program will be used to load this upgrade. I have copied and saved as a text file but not sure what program to load this in. Maybe when I get home i can read a little more.......kinda hard at work. Especially when boss is right next to me wandering what the heck i am doing.

Thanks

Mark Pierson · Post by **Mark Pierson** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:16 pm

That upgrade code gets copied & pasted into IR's Devices tab.

Bowho · Post by **Bowho** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:13 pm

Mark, I tried the code above and the only thing that works is the ENTER button does bring up VCR menu. The - CHANNEL button brings up a red T in the left corner of Tv. No other functions work.

As far as the menu commands that I learned from RS 15-2103 remote with VCR/0048 and TV/0093 codes to 15-2117 are listed below.

VCR/Menu is Protocol=Sharp Device=3 OBC=29 Hex Cmd=B8 EFC=207 Frequency=38095

TV/Menu is #1 Protocol=Sharp Device=1 OBC=32 Hex Cmd=04 EFC=242
#2 Protocol=Sharp Device=1 OBC=32 Hex Cmd=04 EFC=242
Frequency=37914

Note: appears twice

Thanks

Bo

johnsfine · Post by **johnsfine** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:29 pm

In general for learned signals we just care about the protocol, device, subdevice, and either OBC or EFC. We don't care about all the Sent once and Sent repeatedly, etc. data.

But for these we don't care about the learned signals at all. We already know what the Menu commands in TV/0093 and VCR/0048 send.

I think Mark intended that the left and right arrows and basic transport keys and VOL and CH keys from VCR/0807 would be duplicated by the upgrade he gave you, and we understood all those worked in VCR/0807. If they don't work in that upgrade, we'll figure out what went wrong.

Mark Pierson · Post by **Mark Pierson** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:03 pm

johnsfine wrote:I think Mark intended that the left and right arrows and basic transport keys and VOL and CH keys from VCR/0807 would be duplicated by the upgrade he gave you

Correct. My upgrade is just VCR/0807 with the addition of the VCR Menu function mapped to the Enter button.

It puzzles me that it doesn't work except for that added function.

Mark Pierson · Post by **Mark Pierson** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:11 pm

Mark Pierson wrote:It puzzles me that it doesn't work except for that added function.

Doh!

Apparently I can't use my own software!

KM forces this protocol to OBC-only mode and I got my EFC's and OBC's mixed up. Try this upgrade instead. Delete the VCR/1807 from IR's Device tab and then add this one.

Upgrade Code 0 = 17 0F (VCR/1807)
9C 00 FE FE FF 7C AF 7C 7F 7C BF 7C 3F 7C DF 7C
5F 7C 9F 7C 1F 7C EF 7C 6F 7C D7 7C 57 7C 17 7C
77 7C B7 7C 97 3C BB 3C 1B 3C 3B 3C 7B 3C EB 3C
5B 7C DC 7C 15 7C 58 3C 8B 3C 4B 3C DE 7C 47 74
B1 3C 87 7C 0B 3C 47
End

Bowho · Post by **Bowho** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:17 pm

I will try as we speak !

Bowho · Post by **Bowho** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:26 pm

Yes, VCR setup/menu appears when pressing enter. All other buttons seem to work fine also. All I need now is button to bring up the TV/Menu , or from what I have gathered so far it may be next to impossible to to make this happen beings they are/use different device protocols.

Was that code assembled using codes 0093 and 0048 or 0807 ? I have searched for 0807 codes but can't find a list anywhere. By chance is there a program that will disassemble/convert that device code you posted into a spread sheet so I can use KM and see what has taken place.

I really do want to thank you and all involved in this. I have been in many forums for various reasons and I must say.......you guys are QUICK !

Thanks

Bo